<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Anton Feenstra <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:k.a.feenstra@vu.nl" target="_blank">k.a.feenstra@vu.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Is this why we used to have the 'Explicit content' on the cover of the manual ;-)<br>
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Don't forget the acronyms (bromacs.dat iirc); there is one I put there with something about Russians and opium that should probably be taken out too.<br>
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FWIW, 'children' refers to child processes, not living (human) beings. It did seem funny when I put it in so many years ago, but humour depends so much on context, I agree more caution is needed here.<br></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>Yup. Probably half of GROMACS users have never heard of a child process, or seen such a message come up in a terminal - and it's hard for those who have the context to anticipate the effect on those who don't.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I do think we should not get too 'politically correct' about this - just free speech but sensitive about other peoples sensitivities.<br>
If we "eliminate any quotes that can be seen as objectionable" I think that could become way too strict.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Indeed. I agree the criterion should be "reasonably unlikely to offend" rather than "impossible to offend". Assuming we can construct a list and a workable implementation, someone can pull the obvious offenders and submit the list here for any further vetoes. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Mark</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
On 15/12/12 21:53, Erik Marklund wrote:<br>
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I concur. I can help look through the list too. I remember seeing a<br>
quote or two that came across as sexist and that should go.<br>
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Best,<br>
Erik<br>
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15 dec 2012 kl. 08.45 skrev Tsjerk Wassenaar:<br>
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I second that. The criterium should be restrictive: if it can be<br>
insulting to some or is of questionable taste, then it shouldn't be in<br>
there. I do like the references to MD from literature, like<br>
Shakespeare and this one:<br>
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"I will for a night put on the needful restraints." Ivanhoe, Sir<br>
Walter Scott<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Tsjerk<br>
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On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Justin Lemkul <<a href="mailto:jalemkul@vt.edu" target="_blank">jalemkul@vt.edu</a><br></div><div><div class="h5">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:jalemkul@vt.edu" target="_blank">jalemkul@vt.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
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On 12/14/12 4:27 PM, David van der Spoel wrote:<br>
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On 2012-12-14 21:55, Shirts, Michael (mrs5pt) wrote:<br>
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FYI, from my student. We also have to turn these off in<br>
F@H to avoid<br>
complaints.<br>
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Might it be time to retire the quotes? Do we feel it has<br>
that much of a<br>
purpose? I wonder if it's causing more trouble than it's<br>
worth . . .<br>
<br>
Maybe replace them with ads for the NRA?<br>
Sorry, also bad taste.<br>
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We had discussion on it previously and the naysayers were less<br>
vocal than the<br>
proponents at the time.<br>
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Does it have a purpose? It can put a smile on someone's face.<br>
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Otherwise,<br>
setenv GMX_NO_QUOTES 1<br>
Or maybe we can make it a cmake option ;).<br>
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I don't feel particularly strongly either way, but the complaint<br>
related to some inappropriate content is well taken. I think<br>
there are some quotes that probably don't belong. I'm not easily<br>
offended, but maybe we should make an effort to eliminate any<br>
quotes that can be seen as objectionable, as there are a few that<br>
may be seen as such due to foul language or other reasons.<br>
<br>
Disabling the feature with an environment variable is fine (and<br>
documented!) but I think, at the very least, we should clean up<br>
the database, since the onus is on us, the developers, to produce<br>
a user-friendly product. I'm a big fan of witty quips, though :)<br>
Maybe the database should simply focus on humorous quotes from<br>
the developers and other influential people? Just a thought.<br>
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"If I had a dime for every time I posted a link to the wiki..."<br>
(J. Lemkul) ;)<br>
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