<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Mark Abraham <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mark.j.abraham@gmail.com" target="_blank">mark.j.abraham@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks for the discussion - let's close the topic and keep the list focussed on GROMACS development :-)
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>While I respect your call for no flaming, I personally don't feel that the discussion is closed and I think that this is a topic that, although it's neither about science nor about GROMACS development strictly speaking, it *does matter* and is very relevant to GROMACS.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Honestly, I would love to have the gmx-dev finger shown (why not in a "Linusian" manner) to all users bothered by the mere existence of some sentence in the gcq DB that they might find offensive and I'd be tempted to take the time to tell them to mind the science and use the env. var. if a quote with obviously no harmful intentions bothers them so much. As I said before I am *strongly* opposing self-censorship driven by nothing else but a way to adhere to the cultural, ideological, or emotional state (all in all the "world view") of some user(s). In fact, I'd rather spend time with removing some boring quotes than arguing about this, there have been way to many of them showing up lately :) ! However, this seems to be a real concern for some, including developers, so in order to avoid tension and internal conflicts, I think it's better to take all the anger and frustration out here and now, decide something, and *then* move on.</div>
<div><br></div><div>This might sounds harsh, but let' be honest, "killing children" "irrespective of context" -- (*facepalm*) which shows that it's a purely personal and emotionally driven opinion -- is only disturbing if actively misinterpreted. On the other hand, picking special interpretations is easy, for instance: the quotes mentioning God or Jesus can be disturbing to some sensitive believers, and the ones mentioning "strike" or "torture" (both from Pulp Fiction quotes) could easily upset sensitive people who've had enough of both, possibly not so long ago -- and they would have all the right to request removal of Pulp Fiction quotes, after all few orders of magnitude more of their children have been killed (it's just that their stories are not turned into tv shows -- sorry slightly offtopic).</div>
<div><br></div><div style>Although I'd be angered and supportive of removal if any of the quotes would turn out to have an obvious agenda of spreading hate or clearly and intentionally disturbing some people, I have to agree with Christoph that as a community respecting everyone draw their own lines and adhering to it is silly.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style><div>I hope at this point we can agree that unless we have a consensus that something is not appropriate (and such a consensus can be simply driven by gmx-devs community's own peculiar world view), blindly accepting personal requests for removal is a questionable practice.</div>
<div><br></div><div style>And as any rules, this one also has a potential exception: if some user would start spamming or systematically annoying people because of a quote, in the lack of simple and effective defense I'd personally approve the removal just to save our time.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>Szilárd</div></div>
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