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      I field an issue: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://redmine.gromacs.org/issues/1179">http://redmine.gromacs.org/issues/1179</a><br>
      and uploaded a fix: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://gerrit.gromacs.org/#/c/2220/">https://gerrit.gromacs.org/#/c/2220/</a><br>
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      Cheers,<br>
      <br>
      Berk<br>
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      On 03/07/2013 11:05 AM, Berk Hess wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
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        I am sorry to hear about your unfortunate run setup.<br>
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        I will put a note on the deprecation and a warning for large
        switching range in 4.6.2.<br>
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        Cheers,<br>
        <br>
        Berk<br>
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        On 03/07/2013 10:41 AM, Michel Cuendet wrote:<br>
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          <div>Dear Berk,</div>
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          <div>Thanks for your immediate reply. And I apologize for not
            providing the relevant cutoffs. Indeed I had a long
            switching range.&nbsp;</div>
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          <div>OK Whow. So it is exactly as I feared, all my simulations
            are flawed. Being a big proponent of energy conservation,
            when 4.5 came out, I thought PME-switch was like the new
            state-of-the-art scheme (without properly checking what it
            was doing, my bad...). Now I realize that it is not. It is
            even quite wrong, as it probably introduces a sign reversal
            in the force around rcoulomb. As you mentioned, switching
            can be attained in a safe and consistent way using
            ewald_rtol.&nbsp;</div>
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          <div>It seems to me that the PME-switch option is very
            dangerous. As you suggest I think it should be deprecated or
            at least it should be accompanied with a serious warning.&nbsp;</div>
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          <div>Thanks for your help,&nbsp;</div>
          <div>Michel</div>
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          <div>On Mar 6, 2013, at 7:34 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            <div>Message: 4<br>
              Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 19:29:19 +0100<br>
              From: Berk Hess &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:hess@kth.se">hess@kth.se</a>&gt;<br>
              Subject: Re: [gmx-developers] PME-Switch vs. PME<br>
              To: Discussion list for GROMACS development<br>
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              Hi,<br>
              <br>
              You don't mention your, critical, cut-off parameters.<br>
              I guess you used a long switching range. The switch is
              only intended to <br>
              avoid<br>
              cut-off artifacts (and therefore does not act on the
              reciprocal).<br>
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              Any switching function should only be applied over a very
              short range.<br>
              As with PME ewald_rtol is usually 10^-5, you don't really
              need the switch,<br>
              and if you do want to use it, you should switch over 0.05
              nm or less.<br>
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              But in 4.6 you can use exact cut-off's, either with the
              Verlet cut-off <br>
              scheme,<br>
              or at a high cost also with the group cut-off scheme. Thus
              PME-switch is <br>
              no longer needed<br>
              and we should deprecate it in 4.6.<br>
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              Cheers,<br>
              <br>
              Berk<br>
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                        <div>Michel Cuendet, PhD</div>
                        <div>Molecular Modeling Group</div>
                        <div>Swiss Institute of Bioinformatics</div>
                        <div>CH-1015 Lausanne</div>
                        <div>Switzerland</div>
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