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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Erik Lindahl <<a href="mailto:erik.lindahl@scilifelab.se">erik.lindahl@scilifelab.se</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, February 14, 2014 at 12:52 PM<br>
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IIRC, Eric’s first testing (a long time ago) actually found a bug in _Amber_ for a particular sidechain when he couldn’t get the Gromacs results to match :-)
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<div>On 14 Feb 2014, at 09:40, Shirts, Michael (mrs5pt) <<a href="mailto:mrs5pt@eservices.virginia.edu">mrs5pt@eservices.virginia.edu</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>I generally agree with Erik here. I think that force fields should be contributed at first. I would be interested in helping brainstorm an approval process that would allow force fields to be eventually included in the main distribution. Eric Sorin's
validation procedure for AMBER and GROMACS is a nice example of what such a procedure would look like. Such a validation process would consist of:</div>
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<li>A database of molecules + structures that supports the entire functionality that the force field is supposed to support</li><li>Comparison of Gromacs energies and the native implementation energies over all the force fields for all molecules in the database, with tolerance down to the appropriate levels.</li><li>An inclusion of the actual output of the comparison test.</li><li>A script (we can help provide initial versions that can be adapted to particular databases) that run this regression test with each new Gromacs build to ensure that nothing strange happened to the internals in the meantime. </li></ul>
<div>Those are the main things I can think of. Force fields that set such a set of standards would then be eligible for addition to the main distribution, and we can give them some nice designation. Making such standards explicit would help improve the quality
of such simulation anyway, and might help identify some bugs in parameter handling in gromacs. </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [gmx-developers] [gmx-core] removal of encad and gmx FF in 5.0?<br>
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<div>I would strongly prefer that we do NOT ship forcefields that haven’t had (1) plenty of testing, (2) somebody named who is responsible for each of them, (3) specifics on how to repeat the testing.</div>
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<div>The second we ship something with official Gromacs people will start using it, and then they will instantly blame Gromacs if there are errors in the force field. This is exactly why we have separate contributed sections, to make it clear it is not our
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<div>BSC0 is a concrete example: It was only a week ago I got a mail from Eric Sorin about BSC0 not reproducing some results. For a contributed force field that is the problem of the contributor. If we are shipping it with Gromacs-5.0, it will tarnish our reputation.</div>
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<div>On 14 Feb 2014, at 08:38, Rossen Apostolov <<a href="mailto:rossen@kth.se">rossen@kth.se</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Removing encad and gmx sounds good. Probably don't have time to rip out the code that supported encad.
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<div>We're happy to add forcefields that are used by more than one person, have been extensively tested, have an associated publication record, etc. Any particular suggestions, Alexey? Others?</div>
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<div>Off the top of my head, Charmm36 would be an obvious thing to add. My reservation here is that there's not really ever been a good way to run CHARMM-style non-bondeds in GROMACS. I suspect this will change in 5.0 with Verlet-kernel support for switch functions,
but perhaps a fully validated forcefield and workflow port for 5.1 would be a good joint project. Thoughts, Justin?</div>
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Its good idea to drop deprecated force fields!<br>
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BTW are there any plans to add some new forcefields from contributuions pages?<br>
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<div class="">Sounds good to me! If anyone has a burning need to use them, they<br>
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Hi,<br>
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Encad and GmxFF have been deprecated for a while. Now before 5.0<br>
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