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    Will do, thanks. Nice to meet you yesterday, by the way!<br>
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    Cheers<br>
    <br>
    Tom<br>
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      No idea since I&#8217;m not using it myself - talk to Eric Sorin at <a
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      who asked about it.
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      <div>Cheers,</div>
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      <div>Erik</div>
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          <div>On 17 Feb 2014, at 11:35, Thomas Piggot &lt;<a
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              Hi Erik,<br>
              <br>
              What was the issuse you metion with the BSC0 parameters (I
              take it you are referring to the contributed force field
              that I added to the GROMACS website)? I tested the
              conversion of the new dihedrals by looking at single-point
              energies between AMBER and GROMACS and they matched up. If
              there is a problem, I would like to know so as to be able
              to take a look at it.<br>
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              Cheers<br>
              <br>
              Tom<br>
              <br>
              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/02/14 16:47, Erik
                Lindahl wrote:<br>
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                Hi,
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                <div>I would strongly prefer that we do NOT ship
                  forcefields that haven&#8217;t had (1) plenty of testing,
                  (2) somebody named who is responsible for each of
                  them, (3) specifics on how to repeat the testing.</div>
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                <div>The second we ship something with official Gromacs
                  people will start using it, and then they will
                  instantly blame Gromacs if there are errors in the
                  force field. This is exactly why we have separate
                  contributed sections, to make it clear it is not our
                  responsibility.</div>
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                <div>BSC0 is a concrete example: It was only a week ago
                  I got a mail from Eric Sorin about BSC0 not
                  reproducing some results. For a contributed force
                  field that is the problem of the contributor. If we
                  are shipping it with Gromacs-5.0, it will tarnish our
                  reputation.</div>
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                <div>Cheers,</div>
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                <div>Erik</div>
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                    <div>On 14 Feb 2014, at 08:38, Rossen Apostolov &lt;<a
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                        <div dir="ltr">Removing encad and gmx sounds
                          good. Probably don't have time to rip out the
                          code that supported encad.
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                          <div>We're happy to add forcefields that are
                            used by more than one person, have been
                            extensively tested, have an associated
                            publication record, etc. Any particular
                            suggestions, Alexey? Others?</div>
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                        for Stockholm lipids, it can be quite useful,
                        but hasn't got much publicity.</span><br
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                          <div>Off the top of my head, Charmm36 would be
                            an obvious thing to add. My reservation here
                            is that there's not really ever been a good
                            way to run CHARMM-style non-bondeds in
                            GROMACS. I suspect this will change in 5.0
                            with Verlet-kernel support for switch
                            functions, but perhaps a fully validated
                            forcefield and workflow port for 5.1 would
                            be a good joint project. Thoughts, Justin?</div>
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                          <div>Mark</div>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 14, 2014
                            at 4:39 PM, Alexey Shvetsov<span
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                                target="_blank">alexxy@omrb.pnpi.spb.ru</a>&gt;</span><span
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                              Hi all!<br>
                              <br>
                              Its good idea to drop deprecated force
                              fields!<br>
                              <br>
                              BTW are there any plans to add some new
                              forcefields from contributuions pages?<br>
                              <br>
                              Peter Kasson &#1087;&#1080;&#1089;&#1072;&#1083; 14-02-2014 18:47:<br>
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                                <div class="">Sounds good to me! &nbsp;If
                                  anyone has a burning need to use them,
                                  they<br>
                                  can still of course do so, but having
                                  them part of the supported<br>
                                  distribution doesn't seem like a good
                                  idea at this point.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  --Peter<br>
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                                  Peter Kasson, MD, PhD<br>
                                  Assistant Professor<br>
                                  Departments of Molecular Physiology
                                  and Biological Physics<br>
                                  &nbsp;and of Biomedical Engineering<br>
                                  University of Virginia<br>
                                  <br>
                                  On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Erik
                                  Lindahl<br>
                                  &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:erik.lindahl@scilifelab.se"
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                                    On 14 Feb 2014, at 06:37, Rossen
                                    Apostolov &lt;<a
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                                      Hi,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Encad and GmxFF have been
                                      deprecated for a while. Now before
                                      5.0<br>
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                                    is a good time for cleanup, if
                                    nobody is using them.<br>
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                                      Any objections?<br>
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                                      Rossen<br>
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University of Southampton, UK.
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            or send a mail to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Dr Thomas Piggot
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