<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature">On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Alexey Shvetsov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alexxy@omrb.pnpi.spb.ru" target="_blank">alexxy@omrb.pnpi.spb.ru</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">IRC can be used together with bots that keep channel history, post git update<br>
messages, jenkins build messages and so on. Many OSS projects use it as main<br>
communication platform (linux kernel development, jolla phone, gentoo, many<br>
other distros...)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I have used IRC lightly as a user and I know that it _can_ do most of what these glorified web 2+ IRC clones provide.</div><div><br></div><div>However, I wonder:</div><div><br></div><div>- How much effort is it to set it all up, is it comparable at all? Without self-hosting you don't get much (in terms of customization and history saving), do you? </div><div><br></div><div>- The "it just works" aspect when it comes to collaboration among busy academics is not negligible.</div><div>Take as an example these Slack features: </div><div> * The Hangouts connector can be enabled with 2-3 clicks; then you can open a channel and type "/hangout" and your video-chat session will start immediately.</div><div> * It's got integration with jenkins, and Gateways for connecting/sending using IRC/XMPP/email </div><div>- The GROMACS dev community is far smaller, less active, and has way less hacker hands to set up stuff wrt the project you listed.</div><div><br></div><div>Don't get me wrong, I'm not pushing slack as *the* option that everybody should be "voluntarily" choose, I'd be glad to have a option with less vendor lock-in. However, I want to be realistic and not end up with e.g. an IRC channel which is mostly dead and very few ever use it.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>--</div><div>Szilárd</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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В письме от Wednesday 30 September 2015 07:08:39 пользователь Roland Schulz<br>
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<div><div class="h5">> There are a couple see for example:<br>
> <a href="http://beebom.com/2015/04/slack-alternatives-for-team-communication" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://beebom.com/2015/04/slack-alternatives-for-team-communication</a><br>
> <a href="http://opensource.com/business/15/9/alternatives-slack-team-chat" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://opensource.com/business/15/9/alternatives-slack-team-chat</a><br>
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> But I don't have any personal experience.<br>
><br>
> Roland<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Szilárd Páll <<a href="mailto:pall.szilard@gmail.com">pall.szilard@gmail.com</a>><br>
><br>
> wrote:<br>
> > PS: Forgot to mention that OSS - or at least OSS-based tool would be a<br>
> > great benefit, but even if such an option does exist we need to find it<br>
> > (and it should preferably not require self-hosting).<br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Szilárd<br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Szilárd Páll <<a href="mailto:pall.szilard@gmail.com">pall.szilard@gmail.com</a>><br>
> ><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> >> IRC has been on my radar and in fact it has been suggested a while ago<br>
> >> during GROMACS dev discussion, but somehow it has never had enough appeal<br>
> >> to get adopted by developers.<br>
> >><br>
> >> One likely reason is the barrier to start using IRC and that integration<br>
> >> of other productivity tools is quite DYI. AFAIK these are the aspects<br>
> >> where<br>
> >> slack - and possibly other similar alternatives win: user-friedliness and<br>
> >> service-integration e.g. Google hangouts for video calls, Gihub,<br>
> >> Dropbox/Box, Github, custom hooks (e.g. we could have jenkins, gerrit<br>
> >> messages posted, etc.).<br>
> >><br>
> >> Interestingly Slack has won over some communities, a notable example is<br>
> >> WP:<br>
> >> <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/chat/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://make.wordpress.org/chat/</a><br>
> >> and this post points out some of the differences between the two and why<br>
> >> they've switched to slack.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I'll wait a bit more, but if there are no competing thoughts I'll set up<br>
> >> slack and see how well it works.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Cheers,<br>
> >> --<br>
> >> Szilárd<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Vedran Miletić <<a href="mailto:rivanvx@gmail.com">rivanvx@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >><br>
> >> wrote:<br>
> >>> 2015-09-29 20:18 GMT+02:00 Szilárd Páll <<a href="mailto:pall.szilard@gmail.com">pall.szilard@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> >>> > Hi,<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > We are considering to try using a team collaboration tool for GROMACS<br>
> >>> > development-related communication (perhaps user hangout room too?).<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > As I have some experience with <a href="http://slack.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">slack.com</a> (not much, though), so I was<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> about<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> > to go ahead and create a channel, but noticed that it has a slightly<br>
> >>> > inconvenient restriction: max 10k messages kept in the history.<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > So I thought I'd ask:<br>
> >>> > - does anybody have experience with slack (either good or bad)?<br>
> >>> > - does anybody know anything better?<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> How about IRC on <a href="http://freenode.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">freenode.net</a>?<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Regards,<br>
> >>> Vedran<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> --<br>
> >>> Vedran Miletić<br>
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</div></div>Best Regards,<br>
Alexey 'Alexxy' Shvetsov, PhD<br>
Department of Molecular and Radiation Biophysics<br>
FSBI Petersburg Nuclear Physics Institute, NRC Kurchatov Institute,<br>
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