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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">This depends on where we want to keep
      information related to how to contribute to Gromacs. If this lives
      somewhere else on the wiki, a long blog history is not so
      important. We might need to copy parts of useful posts to the wiki
      then.<br>
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      Cheers,<br>
      <br>
      Berk<br>
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      On 10/02/2015 04:00 PM, Szilárd Páll wrote:<br>
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        <div>I personally think that starting to use a collaborative
          platform by severely restricting who can participate partly
          defeats the purpose of the new tool. Such a restriction will
          severely limit the possibilities for interaction with new
          people. Whatever we choose, I think it's crucial to allow wide
          participation with as low barrier as possible while ensuring
          that the features code-devs want are well-supported.</div>
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        I wonder how important is a saving history for very long
        periods?
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          <div>I see a few use cases:
            <div>- Casual and semi-formal dev interaction on various
              channels; typically short-term chats, I imagine e.g.
              discussing a/some of changes (e.g. switching form gerrit
              for more interactivity, starting a quick hangout from
              there if needed)</div>
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          <div>- Help and support channel for non-core/code devs, e.g.
            method developers, people interested in using the code for
            their research, infrequent contributors, HPC center
            sysadmins, distro maintainers, etc.</div>
          <div>- Longer-term planning, decision-making and discussion
            e.g. on a planned feature.</div>
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          <div>It seems to me that some of this, in particular the first
            two do not necessarily need archival (or information could
            be dumped from the lack channel when it seems
            useful/necessary).</div>
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          <div>Cheers,</div>
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          <div class="gmail_signature">--<br>
            Szilárd</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Erik
          Lindahl <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:erik.lindahl@gmail.com" target="_blank">erik.lindahl@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi,<span class="">
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                      <div>On 01 Oct 2015, at 23:33, Roland Schulz &lt;<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:roland@utk.edu" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:roland@utk.edu">roland@utk.edu</a></a>&gt;
                        wrote:</div>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 1, 2015
                              at 5:32 AM, Szilárd Páll<span> </span><span
                                dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:pall.szilard@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank">pall.szilard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><span> </span>wrote:<br>
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                                          <div>On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at
                                            4:08 PM, Roland Schulz<span> </span><span
                                              dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:roland@utk.edu"
                                                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:roland@utk.edu">roland@utk.edu</a></a>&gt;</span><span> </span>wrote:<br>
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                                            <div dir="ltr">There are a
                                              couple see for example:
                                              <div><a
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href="http://beebom.com/2015/04/slack-alternatives-for-team-communication"
                                                  target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://beebom.com/2015/04/slack-alternatives-for-team-communication">http://beebom.com/2015/04/slack-alternatives-for-team-communication</a></a></div>
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                                        <div>I've seen this list,
                                          unfortunately none of those
                                          listed seemed to offer a great
                                          deal more/better functionality
                                          than slack - except perhaps
                                          HipChat with 25k history
                                          limit, or Pie with no limits
                                          _but_  data lock-in due to
                                          lack of export in the free
                                          version - , but I have to
                                          admit, I only browsed briefly.</div>
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                              <div>I think the pricing structure for
                                slack is quite bad for us. I think the
                                10,000 is not sufficient in the medium
                                term. And it is probably to expensive to
                                use anything other than their free plan.
                                And if we hit the limit and can't afford
                                upgrading, then even if they let us
                                allow to export data, we would loose all
                                experience, integration, and training
                                with that system.</div>
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                              <div>Bitrix24 has a first paid plan which
                                might be affordable and a limit which is
                                probably sufficient even in the medium
                                term. The free plan is sufficient to
                                test.  </div>
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                              <div>We might want to ask for some of them
                                whether they would be willing to offer
                                us a plan as a academic open-source
                                project which is discounted. And we
                                should make sure that the pricing plan
                                is sustainable for the long term so that
                                we don't need to switch later.</div>
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              <div>Slack appears to offer educational plans with 85%
                discount, which might work.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>To keep the number of accounts manageable, I think we
                could do something where active developers (basically
                those who frequently commit code) get personal/paid
                slack accounts on our tab, and then there are features
                where we can invite guest users into open channels so
                anybody can participate in those discussions even though
                they might not be as active developing.</div>
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              <div>Cheers,</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>Erik</div>
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