<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:39 PM Szilárd Páll <<a href="mailto:pall.szilard@gmail.com">pall.szilard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">Hi,<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">The one thing I'd hope we avoid is ending up with an empty <a href="http://gromacs.org/" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">gromacs.org</a> for months. It might be tempting to just leave a note what content will be up "soon", but it would be a PITA for users to have to old page is nuked without moving all important information over. Of course "important" can be defined liberally (especially on a late Friday night).</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>If people want things to happen, then please get involved here: <a href="https://redmine.gromacs.org/projects/gromacs/wiki/Documentation_migration">https://redmine.gromacs.org/projects/gromacs/wiki/Documentation_migration</a>. I suggest that porting a page is more useful than adding links to 20 pages that someone hopes that someone will port :-)</div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"> I guess we don't have page stats on the old wiki? (We really should have on the new site BTW.)</div></div></blockquote><div>></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">One page that I know is important given that it's in the top 1-3 Google results for searches like:</div><div class="gmail_msg">"gromacs parallel"</div><div class="gmail_msg">"gromacs MPI"</div><div class="gmail_msg">"gromacs GPU"</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah, but they are things that only some people search for, and make sense going to an overview page on the website that provides links to version-specific detail as appropriate. How to run mdrun and what it can do potentially (and actually) changes with every version.</div><div><br></div><div>Some aspects of e.g. <a href="http://www.gromacs.org/GPU_acceleration">http://www.gromacs.org/GPU_acceleration</a> make sense as an historical blog post (which we can do with WordPress in the future), other aspects belong on an overview page, and others perhaps as version-specific reporting of e.g. performance results.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">and it has not been fully transferred:</div><div class="gmail_msg"><a href="http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Acceleration_and_parallelization" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Acceleration_and_parallelization</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well.. what's missing from all the work we did moving it to <a href="http://manual.gromacs.org/documentation/2016.3/user-guide/mdrun-performance.html">http://manual.gromacs.org/documentation/2016.3/user-guide/mdrun-performance.html</a>? :-) What user-guide sections should we make/alter to fit them?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">Related: need better SEO for the new site and especially the generated documentation sites needs attention. Repo-generated pages takes ages to crawl up in ranking and deploying a new set of pages for every patch release ruins ranking. As a result, most of the google top hits tend to be from the old wiki, old manual pages or at best v5.1 documentation pages.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Pages generated from the source repo should be those which match the source version being documented. They are thus exactly those for which we do not want to target high SEO for general queries. The SEO optimization targets are generally the WordPress pages.</div><div><br></div><div>Googling "gromacs documentation" and "gromacs 5.1 documentation" do exactly the intended job - return at first rank the page most specific to the query (2016 is a bit strange, google seems to have latched onto the beta2 page). We do not want "gromacs performance", "gromacs MPI", "gromacs umbrella sampling" or "how to make mdrun fast" searches returning at high rank a repo-generated page that matches e.g the 2016.2 release. A brief and general page on e.g. mdrun performance makes sense for users (and SEO), but it should direct users on to pages with whatever details they actually want, rather than itself containing everything that was ever relevant to the topic. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Mark<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">Cheers,</div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788gmail_signature gmail_msg">--<br class="gmail_msg">Szilárd</div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg">
<br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Erik Lindahl <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:erik.lindahl@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">erik.lindahl@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">Hi,<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Yeah, I think we also agreed a long time ago that we should do a massive cleanup. For each type of information there should only be one original location, so any docs that fit in the source should just be present there (and if necessary we'll process it into some sphinx website).</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Cheers,</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Erik</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788h5 gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Mark Abraham <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:mark.j.abraham@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">mark.j.abraham@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">Hi,<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Some help migrating documentation from the old website would be most welcome. I have been slowly migrating code-version-specific documentation into Sphinx (e.g. <a href="https://gerrit.gromacs.org/#/c/6531/5" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://gerrit.gromacs.org/#/c/6531/5</a>) but if there are parts people are keen to work on, that would be most welcome (do check <a href="http://manual.gromacs.org/documentation/2016.3/index.html" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://manual.gromacs.org/documentation/2016.3/index.html</a> to see if it's already there!). Perhaps it would be good to go through pages and comment at the bottom that this has, or should be saved. Pages like Gerrit how-tos should live on Wordpress, however, because they are linked to how Gerrit is configured, not what the GROMACS code can do.</div><span class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769HOEnZb gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Mark</div></font></span></div><div class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769HOEnZb gmail_msg"><div class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769h5 gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 4:44 PM Vedran Miletić <<a href="mailto:vedran@miletic.net" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">vedran@miletic.net</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 03/21/2017 04:09 PM, Erik Lindahl wrote:<br class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769m_-3880925747864585483gmail_msg gmail_msg">
> Hi Vedran,<br class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769m_-3880925747864585483gmail_msg gmail_msg">
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> We're already planning a wordpress move, mostly because that will make<br class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769m_-3880925747864585483gmail_msg gmail_msg">
> it easier to integrate with discourse and a bunch of other stuff we<br class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769m_-3880925747864585483gmail_msg gmail_msg">
> might (or might not) use.<br class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769m_-3880925747864585483gmail_msg gmail_msg">
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> However, we have a couple of early-april deadlines, so it won't happen<br class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769m_-3880925747864585483gmail_msg gmail_msg">
> until mid-april. Worst-case, I'm sure Stefan can make the site read-only<br class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769m_-3880925747864585483gmail_msg gmail_msg">
> for two weeks :-)<br class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769m_-3880925747864585483gmail_msg gmail_msg">
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> Cheers,<br class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769m_-3880925747864585483gmail_msg gmail_msg">
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> Erik<br class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769m_-3880925747864585483gmail_msg gmail_msg">
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Good choice. Discourse is also cool. Looking forward to the new website.<br class="m_5335189655986358099gmail-m_6515008748686749788m_4315466503020333769m_-3880925747864585483gmail_msg gmail_msg">
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