<div dir="ltr">We have plenty of space in the log file, so there I definitely think we should print everything.<div><br></div><div>The big drawback of cluttering stdout is that important information risks drowning in the sea of non-critical information we write - and I think there's a lot to be said for having our command-line tools behave more like most other command-line tools in Unix.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Erik</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:25 AM Szilárd Páll <<a href="mailto:pall.szilard@gmail.com">pall.szilard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I also prefer current devs to be printed at least in the log, but I<br>
feel console printing does not hurt and the -quiet flag is always<br>
available. The list getting long pver time is not an issue with the<br>
change if we print only current contributors as I proposed on Monday<br>
as well as on <a href="https://gitlab.com/gromacs/gromacs/-/merge_requests/2308" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gitlab.com/gromacs/gromacs/-/merge_requests/2308</a>.<br>
<br>
Complete removal of the contributor list from both console and log has<br>
neither been discussed when we agreed on how to proceed on Monday nor<br>
does it feel necessary. The intent of the changes we agreed on Monday<br>
were mainly to restructure the acknowledgements and make sure everyone<br>
is included not to completely change how things are displayed printed<br>
in the log or console. I suggest such changes to be left for proposals<br>
in a separate MR.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
--<br>
Szilárd<br>
<br>
On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 10:17 AM Erik Lindahl <<a href="mailto:erik.lindahl@gmail.com" target="_blank">erik.lindahl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> I'm normally the one most pushing for the importance of sharing credit, but the problem is that as the information & author-list have grown we're writing so much information that the "printing" rather means the names will fly by in a terminal window and immediately be hidden within 0.05s again - few if any normal users are going to read a screen full of information just because we write them many times.<br>
><br>
> However, I think I have a better solution :-)<br>
><br>
> Already a long time ago I had the idea that we should create a page to feature developers (old & new ones) on a web page with a picture, short description of their background/expertise, and what they are working on (both in Gromacs and outside). Then we could also feature a random developer on the first page of a better-looking <a href="http://www.gromacs.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.gromacs.org</a> every time you load the website.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Erik<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 10:10 AM Joe Jordan <<a href="mailto:e.jjordan12@gmail.com" target="_blank">e.jjordan12@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I made this comment on the MR, but I will make it here because I think it is important.<br>
>><br>
>> Perhaps it is just me being selfish, but I would like it if the current developers would still be printed with every invocation of the gmx binary, unless the -q flag is given. I think it is important that people who contribute get some actual visibility instead of just having a name in a file somewhere that no one reads.<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 12:32 AM Mark Abraham <<a href="mailto:mark.j.abraham@gmail.com" target="_blank">mark.j.abraham@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks to those who've gotten in touch - I've updated the names accordingly.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Meanwhile, the proposal surfaced that we should also make the tools less talkative and follow the conventional pattern of using an AUTHORS file fully, so <a href="https://gitlab.com/gromacs/gromacs/-/merge_requests/2327" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gitlab.com/gromacs/gromacs/-/merge_requests/2327</a> may supersede the above linked MR. Do let your thoughts be known!<br>
>>><br>
>>> I also used ASCII characters to spell people's names correctly where possible. Do let me know if I missed anything I can do (sorry Vedran, I couldn't do your surname properly!)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Mark<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 14:18, Mark Abraham <<a href="mailto:mark.j.abraham@gmail.com" target="_blank">mark.j.abraham@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hi,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We want people's efforts to be visible, so we need to update the lists of who has contributed to the GROMACS project. The contributor list is now getting quite long (great!) so we think it's a good idea to split it into those who've been active in the last year or so.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It's fairly easy to see who's made code contributions to the main repo, but there are many other kinds of contributions useful to GROMACS users that we want to recognize also. For example, docs, testing, tutorials, forum participation, workshop organization. Please check out the MR below and if you see a name missing or in the wrong place, please get in touch!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://gitlab.com/gromacs/gromacs/-/merge_requests/2308" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gitlab.com/gromacs/gromacs/-/merge_requests/2308</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Mark<br>
>>><br>
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