Dear Friends,<br>
During first step of MD (pdb2gmx) I come to know that my protein having
net charge -42 e (it has two chain, A and B each having -21 e ).<br>
Why neutral system is preferable for further steps of MD &amp; what kind of problem encounter with charged system ?<br>
Should i have to add 21 Na+ to make it neutral, through &quot;genion&quot;?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Rituraj<br>
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      (Justin A. Lemkul)<br>   2. Re: double precision (Justin A. Lemkul)<br>   3. RE: RE: Re: g_energy and g_analyze give different averages<br>      (Berk Hess)<br> <br> <br> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
 <br> Message: 1<br> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:53:16 -0400<br> From: &quot;Justin A. Lemkul&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jalemkul@vt.edu">jalemkul@vt.edu</a>&gt;<br> Subject: Re: [gmx-users] RE: Re: g_energy and g_analyze give different<br>
        averages<br> To: Discussion list for GROMACS users &lt;<a href="mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org">gmx-users@gromacs.org</a>&gt;<br> Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4A987BFC.2040304@vt.edu">4A987BFC.2040304@vt.edu</a>&gt;<br>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br> <br> <br> <br> Ragnarok sdf wrote:<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt; I am terribly sorry. I have not expressed myself well. I meant the<br> &gt; standard error of the mean energy given by g_energy. So I believe I<br>
 &gt; would like to know the standard error estimate.<br> <br> Based on the output RMSD (standard deviation), it seems rather straightforward<br> to calculate SE:<br> <br> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_error_(statistics)#Standard_error_of_the_mean">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_error_(statistics)#Standard_error_of_the_mean</a><br>
 <br> -Justin<br> <br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;     I don&#39;t understand what you want exactly.<br> &gt;     Your g_energy command does exponential averaging, that happens<br> &gt;     on the printed data points. So there g_analyze or any program will<br>
 &gt;     do fine.<br> &gt;     For the original data g_energy gives the exact standard deviation<br> &gt;     over all MD steps, called RMSD.<br> &gt;<br> &gt;     But do you really want the standard deviation, or do you want<br>
 &gt;     a standard error estimate?<br> &gt;<br> &gt;     Berk<br> &gt;<br> &gt;     Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:30:37 -0300<br> &gt;     From: <a href="mailto:fabracht1@gmail.com">fabracht1@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:fabracht1@gmail.com">fabracht1@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
 &gt;     To: <a href="mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org">gmx-users@gromacs.org</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org">gmx-users@gromacs.org</a>&gt;<br> &gt;     Subject: [gmx-users] Re: g_energy and g_analyze give different averages<br>
 &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;     Is there a correct way to obtain the standard deviation for these<br> &gt;     data sets?<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt; Ragnarok sdf wrote:<br>
 &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt; &gt; When analysing FEP simulations. After running g_energy -f<br> &gt;     fep000.edr -f2<br> &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt; &gt; fep_000-005.edr for obtaining the dF = -kT ln &lt;<br> &gt;     exp(-(EB-EA)/kT) &gt;A I<br>
 &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt; tried<br> &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt; &gt; to obtain the standard deviation for this ensemble average using<br> &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt; g_analyze<br> &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt; &gt; -f runavg.xvg, but I&#39;ve noticed that the average values are quite<br>
 &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt; different<br> &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt; &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt; &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt; g_energy takes all values during your simulation into account,<br> &gt;     g_analyze<br> &gt;<br>
 &gt;      &gt; only the printed datapoints.<br> &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;      &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
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 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] double precision<br> To: Discussion list for GROMACS users &lt;<a href="mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org">gmx-users@gromacs.org</a>&gt;<br> Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4A97ED4B.9020604@vt.edu">4A97ED4B.9020604@vt.edu</a>&gt;<br>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br> <br> <br> <br> abhijit kayal wrote:<br> &gt; Hi,<br> &gt; I am going to do the normal mode analysis of 1OMB.pdb.For this purpose I<br> &gt; have to run the GROMACS in double precision .For this i went through the<br>
 &gt; manual and made necessart changes in .mdp file.But when I gave grompp_d<br> &gt; it showed like this<br> &gt; [abhijit@SCFBioServer 1omb]$ grompp_d -v -f em.mdp -c b4em.gro -o em.tpr<br> &gt; -p 1OMB.top<br> &gt; -bash: grompp_d: command not found.<br>

&gt;                  I
am using GROMACS 4.0.4 version .So my question is why<br> &gt; it showed like this.<br> &gt;<br> <br> Did you specify --program-suffix=_d when doing the double-precision installation?<br> <br> -Justin<br> <br> <br> &gt; Thank you<br>
 &gt;<br> &gt; Abhijit Kayal<br> &gt;<br> &gt; IIT Delhi<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> &gt;<br> &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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 Subject: RE: [gmx-users] RE: Re: g_energy and g_analyze give different<br>        averages<br> To: Discussion list for GROMACS users &lt;<a href="mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org">gmx-users@gromacs.org</a>&gt;<br> Message-ID: &lt;COL113-W5761A7D698571E5044C8E18EF40@phx.gbl&gt;<br>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;<br> <br> <br> Hi,<br> <br> No, that assumes that all points are independent.<br> Which they might be, but they are usually not.<br> <br> It is still not clear to me if you want the error of the exponential<br>
 difference of the error of the direct energies.<br> <br> g_analyze -ee will give you an error estimate, but only based<br> on the printed points.<br> <br> The simplest way is always to divide your set in 4 consecutive parts,<br>
 determine the averages with g_energy -b -e<br> and determine the error estimate through the method in Justin&#39;s link.<br> <br> Berk<br> <br> &gt; Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:53:16 -0400<br> &gt; From: <a href="mailto:jalemkul@vt.edu">jalemkul@vt.edu</a><br>
 &gt; To: <a href="mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org">gmx-users@gromacs.org</a><br> &gt; Subject: Re: [gmx-users] RE: Re: g_energy and g_analyze give different averages<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt; Ragnarok sdf wrote:<br>
 &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt; I am terribly sorry. I have not expressed myself well. I meant the<br> &gt; &gt; standard error of the mean energy given by g_energy. So I believe I<br> &gt; &gt; would like to know the standard error estimate.<br>
 &gt;<br> &gt; Based on the output RMSD (standard deviation), it seems rather straightforward<br> &gt; to calculate SE:<br> &gt;<br> &gt; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_error_(statistics)#Standard_error_of_the_mean">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_error_(statistics)#Standard_error_of_the_mean</a><br>
 &gt;<br> &gt; -Justin<br> &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;     I don&#39;t understand what you want exactly.<br> &gt; &gt;     Your g_energy command does exponential averaging, that happens<br> &gt; &gt;     on the printed data points. So there g_analyze or any program will<br>
 &gt; &gt;     do fine.<br> &gt; &gt;     For the original data g_energy gives the exact standard deviation<br> &gt; &gt;     over all MD steps, called RMSD.<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;     But do you really want the standard deviation, or do you want<br>
 &gt; &gt;     a standard error estimate?<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;     Berk<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;     Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:30:37 -0300<br> &gt; &gt;     From: <a href="mailto:fabracht1@gmail.com">fabracht1@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:fabracht1@gmail.com">fabracht1@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
 &gt; &gt;     To: <a href="mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org">gmx-users@gromacs.org</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org">gmx-users@gromacs.org</a>&gt;<br> &gt; &gt;     Subject: [gmx-users] Re: g_energy and g_analyze give different averages<br>
 &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;     Is there a correct way to obtain the standard deviation for these<br> &gt; &gt;     data sets?<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt;<br>
 &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt; Ragnarok sdf wrote:<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt; &gt; When analysing FEP simulations. After running g_energy -f<br> &gt; &gt;     fep000.edr -f2<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt; &gt; fep_000-005.edr for obtaining the dF = -kT ln &lt;<br>
 &gt; &gt;     exp(-(EB-EA)/kT) &gt;A I<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt; tried<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt; &gt; to obtain the standard deviation for this ensemble average using<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt; g_analyze<br>
 &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt; &gt; -f runavg.xvg, but I&#39;ve noticed that the average values are quite<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt; different<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt; &gt;<br>
 &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt; g_energy takes all values during your simulation into account,<br> &gt; &gt;     g_analyze<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt; only the printed datapoints.<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt;<br>
 &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;      &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> &gt; &gt;<br> &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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