<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jalemkul@vt.edu">jalemkul@vt.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Amit Choubey wrote:<br>
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On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <<a href="mailto:jalemkul@vt.edu" target="_blank">jalemkul@vt.edu</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jalemkul@vt.edu" target="_blank">jalemkul@vt.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Amit Choubey wrote:<br>
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Hi Justin,<br>
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Since the density (1 gm/cc) and T (300 K) correspond to ambient<br>
condition, should not the equation of state dictate a pressure<br>
around 1 atm?<br>
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If the equation of state involves temperature and pressure, yes. <br>
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So if you fix the density and temperature shouldnt you land up with right pressure which we know should be 1 atm.<br>
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You are not fixing (or conserving) the temperature in an NVE ensemble. That would be an NVT ensemble, employing a thermostat. </blockquote><div><br>I did do NVT first and then for sampling i removed the thermostat. Also as you mentioned there was not much difference b/n pressure values during NVT or NVE . The pressure value is as high as 1000 bar in both cases.<br>
<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Since instantaneous pressure is calculated (in part) from the kinetic energy, and since the kinetic energy is not guaranteed to be conserved, the pressure term will also fluctuate accordingly.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>This is correct. The pressure thus fluctuates about 20 % of the above mentioned value. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<a href="http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Pressure" target="_blank">http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Pressure</a><br>
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The internal energy of the system is constant in an NVE ensemble, the other terms may fluctuate as necessary such that all microstates occur with the same probability and the energy surface remains flat. </blockquote><div>
<br>I agree<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Also recall that an NVE ensemble represents a thermodynamically isolated system, not conducting heat or engaging in work with the surrounding system. </blockquote>
<div><br>true<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> So any concept of external pressure and equilibrating the pressure is irrelevant.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>I am not trying to equilibriate the pressure. I am trying to measure the pressure. I also know that at 300 K and 1gm/cc the P should be 1 bar.<br><br>Also, theoretically NVE or NVT are no different than NPT as far as measuring observables is concerned. Hence i was thinking that if you have the right volume density and temperature shouldnt you have the right pressure.</div>
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-Justin<br>
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amit<br>
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thank you<br>
amit<br>
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On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Justin A. Lemkul<br>
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<mailto:<a href="mailto:jalemkul@vt.edu" target="_blank">jalemkul@vt.edu</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jalemkul@vt.edu" target="_blank">jalemkul@vt.edu</a>>>> wrote:<br>
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Amit Choubey wrote:<br>
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Hi Everyone,<br>
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I was doing MD with SPC waters and found something which i am<br>
not sure how to explain.<br>
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I made a box of SPC water of dimension 4x4x4 nm^3 and filled<br>
with water using grenbox .<br>
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I then did a nvt simulation at 300 K for 1 ns . I used<br>
berendsen<br>
coupling and Reaction - Field for coulomb interaction.<br>
Cut off<br>
were all set to 1 nm. Temperature did converge to 300 K.<br>
After<br>
this i turned of nvt and did nve with RF-zero for another ns.<br>
Energy was well converged during this (RMSD < 0.1 %).<br>
Temperature was also around 304 K (RMSD < 1%). But the<br>
pressure<br>
was 1.1 Kilobar with a fluctuation of 20 % . I don understand<br>
this, shouldnt this be around 1 bar ? Could some one suggest<br>
whats on ?<br>
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Since an NVE ensemble employs neither a thermostat nor a<br>
barostat, I<br>
don't know why you'd expect that.<br>
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-Justin<br>
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Thank you,<br>
amit<br>
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