<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I'm a bit surprised that the CHARMM tip3p makes a significant difference, how large is the difference approximately?</div><div><br></div><div>/Pär</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">Hi Sven,<br><br>Yes I have tested values of rvdw-switch and (unlike in your test) have&nbsp;<br>seen a large impact of the area per lipid. Indeed this can also be seen&nbsp;<br>in the Klauda paper where they show a decreased area per lipid (~63 A^2&nbsp;<br>to ~58 A^2) in the NAMD DPPC simulations (see the graph in the&nbsp;<br>Supporting Info) using a 1.1 nm cut-off for the switching compared to&nbsp;<br>the 0.8 nm cut-off in their CHARMM simulations.<br><br>I would suggest sticking to a rvdw-switch of 0.8 nm and using the CHARMM&nbsp;<br>tip3p water. This gives me the closest results in terms of area per&nbsp;<br>lipid for both POPC and DPPC compared to both the Klauda paper (CHARMM&nbsp;<br>results) and experiment.<br><br>Cheers<br><br>Tom<br><br>Sven Jakobtorweihen wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi there,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Tom, thanks for this hint, yes, that is an improvement. I am looking<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">forward to your paper. Berk, I am using switch for vdw. Although for my<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">taste switching from 0.8 to 1.2 was quite large, I used it because the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">charmm paper used these values. But I just realized that the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">implementation of the switch is different in gromacs and charmm, I<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">should have seen that earlier. I think I will increase rvdw_switch to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">1.0. However, a couple of days ago I tested already the influence of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">switching region and it wasn't dramatic, at least for the test case.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Nevertheless, matching the settings used in the parametrization is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">always advisable. Tom, do you have tested any cutoff settings?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cheers,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sven<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Berk Hess schrieb:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Another comment on your interaction settings.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">You did not mail if you are using shift or switch for vdw.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">But I guess that both probably don't match exactly what Charmm does.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Since the switching range is so long and this is where a large part<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of the dispersion attraction acts, this might have a large effect on<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the area.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Berk<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:47:21 +0100<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From:&nbsp;<a href="mailto:t.piggot@soton.ac.uk">t.piggot@soton.ac.uk</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To:&nbsp;<a href="mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org">gmx-users@gromacs.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [gmx-users] CHARMM36 lipid bilayers<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Sven,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I have also seen similar things from the area per lipid of the bilayers<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I have run (POPC and DPPC). I would suggest you try running with the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">CHARMM TIP3P water (tips3p.itp) and see if you get values which are<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">closer to the ones published in the paper you mention. This will be<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">discussed in a paper which we hope to have published fairly soon.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Cheers<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Tom<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sven Jakobtorweihen wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Dear gmx-users,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">recently Pär Bjelkmar and Thomas Piggot have generated force field<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">files<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">for Charmm36 lipids. I run some simulations to find the best run<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">parameters and to check if the results of the original Charmm36 lipid<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">article [Klauda et al., J. Phys Chem. B, 2010, 114, 7830) can be<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">reproduced with gromacs.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I run 40 ns NPT simulations with semiisotropic pressure coupling<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">(Parrinello-Rahman, tau_p=5), the first 10 ns are equilibration and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">averages were calculated for the last 30 ns. DMPC and POPC at 303<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">K and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">DPPC at 323.15 K (Nose-Hoover, tau-t= 1). The itp files were made with<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">pdb2gmx -nochargegrp. All simulations contained 128 lipids and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">approximately the same water/lipid ratio (water is TIP3P) as Klauda et<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">al. I started from charmm27 bilayers provided at the Chramm Gui<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">website.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I used the following parameters:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">rvdw=1.20; rvdw_switch=0.80; DispCorr=No; coulombtype= PME;<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">rcoulomb=1.00; fourierspacing=0.15; pme_order=6; rcoulomb_switch=0.00;<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">nstlist=10; rlist=1.00; rlistlong=1.40; constraints= hbonds; dt= 0.002<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">These simulations result in the following area per lipid [A^2/lipid]:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">DMPC=56.6 +/- 0.4 ; POPC =61.8 +/- 0.4 ; DPPC=55.0 +/- 0.7<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Comparing to the results of Klauda et al (all simulation with the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">charmm-package, except one):<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">DMPC=60.8 +/- 0.2 ; POPC=64.7 +/- 0.2 ; DPPC=62.9 +/- 0.3 ; DPPC=59.1<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">+/- 0.4 (with NAMD)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It is obvious that my simulations with gromacs 4.5.1 give lower areas<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">per lipid for all cases. Considering the deviations observed by Klauda<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">et al. between Charmm and NAMD simulations ( rvdw_switch was only<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">changed slightly in NAMD) could lead to the conclusion that DMPC and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">POPC are fine. But I am a bit worried about the DPPC result. Did<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">anyone<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">have suggestions how to improve it? Are these differences expected<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">when<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">comparing gromacs and charmm simulations? Did by any chance<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">someone else<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">tested charmm36 bilayers in gromacs?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Thanks,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sven<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Dr Thomas Piggot<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">University of Southampton, UK.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">gmx-users mailing list&nbsp;<a href="mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org">gmx-users@gromacs.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users">http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Please search the archive at<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search">http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search</a>&nbsp;before posting!<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">www interface or send it to&nbsp;<a href="mailto:gmx-users-request@gromacs.org">gmx-users-request@gromacs.org</a>.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Can't post? Read&nbsp;<a href="http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists">http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>--&nbsp;<br>Dr Thomas Piggot<br>University of Southampton, UK.</blockquote></div><br><br><div>
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