Hi Justin<br><br>Thank you. One more question regarding the Compressibility value usage. can i use the Compressibility value of water (4.5e-5) for the NPT equilibration of organic liquids (say DCE)? Is it resonable? <br><br>
It was said in the gromacs mailing archive that for all liquids one can use the Compressibility value of water. (<a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg01245.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg01245.html</a>)<br>
<br>Regards<br>Vinoth<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jalemkul@vt.edu">jalemkul@vt.edu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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vinothkumar mohanakrishnan wrote:<br>
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Hi Justin<br>
<br>
Thank you for your comments. Yes i want to concatenate two systems such that their cross sections are same ( X and Y axis length are same for both the boxes) allowing only the Z axis to change. The above procedure was employed in the literature and latter they combined two boxes.<br>

<br>
what i want to know ultimately is can i go ahead with this pressure ( i have no problem with temperature and density) for water to create an interface by combining two boxes?<br>
<br>
<br>
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Yes, it&#39;s fine.  Regardless, you&#39;re going to have to do more equilibration after you&#39;ve assembled the system.<br>
<br>
-Justin<br>
<br>
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Regards<br>
Vinoth<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Justin A. Lemkul &lt;<a href="mailto:jalemkul@vt.edu" target="_blank">jalemkul@vt.edu</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:jalemkul@vt.edu" target="_blank">jalemkul@vt.edu</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>

<br>
<br>
<br>
    vinothkumar mohanakrishnan wrote:<br>
<br>
        Hi Mark<br>
<br>
        How come 7 +/- 500 bar is approximately 1 bar. Can you explain<br>
        it more clearly? It will be of more useful to me to understand<br>
        the concept.<br>
<br>
<br>
    Suppose you do two simulations.  In one, the result is 7+/-500 and<br>
    in the other, the result is 1+/-500.  Even though the latter<br>
    achieves the preferred result (average pressure of 1 bar),<br>
    statistically, there is no difference between these two results<br>
    because of the huge standard deviations in the data.<br>
<br>
<br>
        One more thing, density (from g_energy command) of water is<br>
        found to low (expected 1000) after NPT is equilibration. why?<br>
        given below is my average density value. Can i proceed with this<br>
        density value?<br>
<br>
        Energy                      Average       RMSD     Fluct.             Drift  Tot-Drift<br>
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
        Density (SI)                 979.37    14.3238    14.2431<br>
        -0.0525784   -5.25789<br>
<br>
<br>
    Real water and SPC water are different.  I don&#39;t know that there is<br>
    any water model out there that perfectly reproduces all the<br>
    properties of water.  A density around 980 sounds about right for SPC.<br>
<br>
    A comment on your previous approach: you&#39;re hoping to achieve the<br>
    same box dimensions for two different systems in order to<br>
    concatenate them and make an interfacial system?  It would be far<br>
    easier to create the organic phase, extend the box in z, and then<br>
    solvate with genbox.<br>
<br>
    -Justin<br>
<br>
<br>
        Regards<br>
        Vinoth<br>
<br>
<br>
        On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Mark Abraham<br>
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        &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:Mark.Abraham@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">Mark.Abraham@anu.edu.au</a>&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
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           On 29/10/2010 6:39 PM, vinothkumar mohanakrishnan wrote:<br>
<br>
               I am using the semiisotropic pressure scaling because i<br>
            want the<br>
               box size to remain the same as that of the original box<br>
            size in X<br>
               and Y axis and want to change it only on the Z axis. I am<br>
            doing<br>
               this because at a latter stage i want to create an<br>
            interface with<br>
               organic solvent where i need the cross sections (X and Y axis<br>
               length) of both the box should be the same.<br>
<br>
               what i should do now  get the pressure of 1 bar?<br>
<br>
<br>
           7 +/- 500 *is* approximately 1 bar, and hardly any better an<br>
           approximation than 1 +/- 500. If you want lower fluctuations,<br>
        use a<br>
           larger system and run for a much longer time. Or, since<br>
        you&#39;ll have<br>
           to re-equilibrate once you combine the solvent boxes, don&#39;t<br>
        bother.<br>
<br>
           Mark<br>
<br>
<br>
               Has no one has got the pressure of water to be close to 1<br>
            bar in<br>
               GROMACS till now?<br>
<br>
               Regards<br>
               Vinoth<br>
<br>
               On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:54 PM, David van der Spoel<br>
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<br>
            wrote:<br>
<br>
                   On 2010-10-29 09.08, vinothkumar mohanakrishnan wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
                       Hi Mark<br>
<br>
                       I read the link before posting the question. even<br>
            though<br>
                       the fluctation<br>
                       is between 500-600 (as said in the link) bar the<br>
            average<br>
                       pressure is<br>
                       around 7.4 bar. my concern is the average pressure?.<br>
                       Because at a latter<br>
                       stage i am going to combine this water box with<br>
            another<br>
                       organic solvent<br>
                       and i want to avoid any complications there.<br>
<br>
<br>
                   Think again of what you just wrote. Your value is 7<br>
            +/- 500.<br>
                   In fact according to normal statistical rules you<br>
            should round<br>
                   the value of 7 to 0. If you want more accurate number you<br>
                   could increase the box size by a factor of 100.<br>
<br>
                   By the way, why are you using semiisotropic pressure<br>
            scaling<br>
                   in a water box?<br>
<br>
<br>
                       Regards<br>
                       Vinoth<br>
<br>
                       On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Mark Abraham<br>
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            &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:Mark.Abraham@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">Mark.Abraham@anu.edu.au</a>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
                          On 29/10/2010 5:48 PM, vinothkumar<br>
            mohanakrishnan wrote:<br>
<br>
                              Hi Gromacians<br>
<br>
                              I want to do equilibration of water (spc<br>
            model)<br>
                       first in the NVT<br>
                              ensemble and then in the NPT ensemble to<br>
            maintain a<br>
                       temperature<br>
                              of 300K and a pressure of 1 bar<br>
            respectively. The NVT<br>
                              equilibration works fine and the average<br>
                       temperature turns out<br>
                              to be 299.229 K.<br>
<br>
                              Energy                      Average                  RMSD                   Fluct.<br>
                                    Drift            Tot-Drift<br>
                              ------------------------------<br>
                                         -------------------------------------------------<br>
                              Temperature                 299.229               10.3092               10.2463<br>
                                0.0393873    3.93877<br>
                              Heat Capacity Cv:       12.494 J/mol K<br>
            (factor =<br>
                       0.00118698)<br>
<br>
                                when i do NPT equilibration i am not<br>
            getting the<br>
                       desired<br>
                              pressure as 1 bar or atleast close to 1 bar<br>
                       (between 1-1.4 bar).<br>
                              In the mdp file i used semiisotropic pressure<br>
                       coupling type<br>
                              because i want to fix the length of the<br>
            box same on<br>
                       two axis as<br>
                              that of the original box size and want to<br>
            change it<br>
                       only on one<br>
                              axis. can any one tell me why iam not<br>
            getting the<br>
                       desired<br>
                              pressure of 1 bar?.<br>
<br>
<br>
                          This looks normal for a smallish water system over<br>
                       100ps. See<br>
                                     <a href="http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Pressure" target="_blank">http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Pressure</a><br>
<br>
                          Mark<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
                              Energy                      Average                  RMSD                Fluct.<br>
                                Drift  Tot-Drift<br>
                                                    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
                              Pressure (bar)               7.4339               574.052               573.574<br>
                              0.812129    81.2138<br>
<br>
                              Given below is my mdp file (NPT<br>
            equilibration). any<br>
                       help is<br>
                              highly appreciated.<br>
<br>
                              title           = DCE NVT equilibration<br>
                              cpp           = usr/bin/cpp<br>
                              integrator   = md<br>
                              nsteps       = 100000<br>
                              dt              = 0.001<br>
                              nstxout       = 100<br>
                              nstvout       = 100<br>
                              nstenergy   = 100<br>
                              nstlog        = 100<br>
                              ns_type     = grid<br>
                              nstlist        = 1<br>
                              rlist            = 1.0<br>
                              coulombtype    = PME<br>
                              rcoulomb         = 1.0<br>
                              vdwtype          = Cut-off<br>
                              rvdw               = 1.0<br>
                              pme_order       = 4<br>
                              fourierspacing  = 0.16<br>
                              pbc                 = xyz<br>
                              tcoupl              = V-rescale<br>
                              tc-grps             = system<br>
                              tau_t                = 0.1<br>
                              ref_t                 = 300<br>
                              pcoupl              = berendsen<br>
                              pcoupltype        = semiisotropic<br>
                              tau_p                = 0.5<br>
                              ref_p                 = 1.0 1.0<br>
                              compressibility   = 0.0 4.5e-5<br>
                              DispCorr            = Enerpres<br>
                              gen_vel             = yes<br>
                              gen_temp          = 300<br>
                              gen_seed          = 173529<br>
<br>
                              Regards<br>
                              Vinoth<br>
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Department of Biochemistry<br>
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