Dear experts,<br><br>I have been trying to do NVT on a system (a single polyethylene chain in 110 hexane) in the past few days but still no success. For some reason simulations are taking much longer than before. A run that used to complete in a few hours is taking several weeks. I am wondering if there is something wrong with our cluster or..my runs crash (LINCS) at early stages of simulation.<br>
<br>step 100, will finish Wed Mar 16 00:08:53 2011<br>step 200, will finish Wed Mar 16 00:05:57 2011<br>step 300, will finish Wed Mar 16 00:04:05 2011<br>step 400, will finish Wed Mar 16 00:03:37 2011              <br><br>
Step 460, time 0.92 (ps)  LINCS WARNING<br>relative constraint deviation after LINCS:          <br>rms 22.298270, max 137.226395 (between atoms 2136 and 2138)<br>bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:<br> atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length<br>
   2123   2124   92.6    0.1090   0.1866      0.1090       <br>   2139   2142   90.0    0.1090   9.1450      0.1090<br>   2139   2141   90.1    0.1090   9.2416      0.1090<br>   2139   2140   90.0    0.1090   9.1782      0.1090<br>
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***********************************************************<br><br>Here is more details:<br><br>To diagnose the reason for crash I watched the trajectory and noticed the problem lies in hexane molecules and not the polymer. All LINCS and 1-4 warnings are because of hexane. So I followed the instruction on gmx site and simplified the problem. Topology is not the root cause since a 2 ns run on a single hexane works well. I am not getting any warnings before MD step so be ignored by maxwarn either. Regarding bad intial structure I should say that I was initially using emtol= 1000 and then I used 100 and the box is too big and molecules are far apart. (box is 20nm containing 110 hexane) <br>
<br>I also did PR where no error message come up. As I move on to MD NVT systems shows instabilities.<br><br>I dont know how else to overcome this situation which I have been working on nearly one week. <br><br><br>pbc              =  xyz                  <br>
;energygrps          =  PE HEX<br>        <br>;        Run control                    <br>integrator          =  md                    <br>dt                  =  0.002                <br>nsteps              =  1000000 ;5000                <br>
nstcomm             =  100                <br><br>;        Output control<br>nstenergy           =  100                 <br>nstxout             =  1                <br>nstvout             =  0<br>nstfout             =  0<br>
nstlog              =  1000                <br>nstxtcout          =  1000            <br><br>;        Neighbor searching<br>nstlist             =  10                <br>ns_type             =  grid            <br><br>;        Electrostatics/VdW <br>
coulombtype         =  PME                     <br>vdw-type            =  Shift          <br>rcoulomb-switch     =  0                           <br>rvdw-switch         =  0.9 ;0                 <br><br>;        Cut-offs<br>
rlist               =  1.25                <br>rcoulomb            =  1.25 ;1.1        <br>rvdw                =  1.0                 <br><br>;        PME parameters<br>fourierspacing      =  0.12                <br>fourier_nx          =  0<br>
fourier_ny          =  0<br>fourier_nz          =  0<br>pme_order          =  4                  <br>ewald_rtol          =  1e-5<br>optimize_fft      =  yes<br><br>;        Temperature coupling    <br>Tcoupl              =  v-rescale                  <br>
tc-grps             =  System  ;HEX                      <br>tau_t               =  0.1     ;0.1               <br>ref_t               =  300     ;300              <br><br>;        Pressure coupling<br>Pcoupl              =  no;Parrinello-Rahman             <br>
Pcoupltype          =  isotropic                  <br>tau_p               =  1      1           ;0.5      <br>compressibility     =  4.5e-5 4.5e-5          <br>ref_p               =  20    20                  <br><br>;        Velocity generation                <br>
gen_vel             =  yes                 <br>gen_temp            =  300.0                 <br>gen_seed            =  173529                 <br><br>;        Bonds<br>constraints             = all-bonds           ;<br>constraint-algorithm = lincs<br>
<br>;         Free energy control stuff<br>free_energy          =   no;yes<br>init_lambda          =   0  <br>delta_lambda         =   0<br>sc_alpha             =   0.5<br>sc-power             =   1<br>sc_sigma             =   0.3<br>
;foreign_lambda       =   0.1<br>dhdl_derivatives     =   yes<br>;couple-moltype       =   Polymer<br>couple-lambda0       =   vdw-q     ;vdw<br>couple-lambda1       =   none  ;vdw;none<br>couple-intramol      =   yes<br>
nstdhdl              =   10<br>separate_dhdl_file   =   yes<br>dh_hist_size         =   0<br>dh_hist_spacing      =   0.1<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Moeed wrote:<br>
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Hello Justin,<br>
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I just scanned through the manual and also looked into the list to learn about the significance of reciprocal part to realize your statement. I did not find much about the fact that how I can judge if fourierspacing is the cause of the crash (I mean relevance between fourierspacing and coulb recip). I suspect the cause of crashes is because of <br>


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The manual will not describe every detail, but an understanding of the algorithms (through reading the appropriate literature) should provide you with what you need.  Take Mark&#39;s advice and leave fourierspacing at its default value unless you are 100% sure of the effects of messing with it.<div>

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electrostatics settings. BEfore that I had only vdw no run crashed. <br>
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That was a broken model, as we&#39;ve discussed.  Don&#39;t believe that its results are reliable.<div><br>
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Since I used to get LINCS warning I removed bond constraints but still <br>
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LINCS warnings don&#39;t mean you should turn off constraints.  With a 2-fs timestep and an all-atom model, you absolutely need to be using constraints.<br>
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<a href="http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors#LINCS.2fSETTLE.2fSHAKE_warnings" target="_blank">http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors#LINCS.2fSETTLE.2fSHAKE_warnings</a><div><br>
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system is showing instabilities. I am confident that topology is fine and just wondering how else one can inspect root cause for unphysical forces.<br>
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The best advice I can give has already been given:<br>
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<a href="http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Blowing_Up#Diagnosing_an_Unstable_System" target="_blank">http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Blowing_Up#Diagnosing_an_Unstable_System</a><br>
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Watch the trajectory.  See what falls apart.<br>
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You&#39;re also applying 70 bar of pressure to a system that may not yet be properly equilibrated for such conditions.  I have found that the Parrinello-Rahman barostat is not particularly well-suited to harsh conditions, tight coupling, or simulations of any system that is far from equilibrium.  You might be better off with Berendsen (and a fairly long tau_p) until your system stabilizes.<br>


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-Justin<br>
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fourierspacing =0.12 :  Coul. recip.                636.217    8.69433    8.62908  0.0167398    3.68278<br>
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fourierspacing =0.3 :    Coul. recip.                642.921    6.06063    6.02832 -0.00984063   -2.16496<br>
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    Everything has a cause; nothing is accidental.  No stable run should<br>
    ever show LINCS warnings like this, so yes, there is something to fix.<br>
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    You also have not proven that your fourierspacing is not the cause.<br>
     The proper term to analyze is Coul-recip, which corresponds to<br>
    reciprocal space Coulombic term.  I don&#39;t see that listed below.<br>
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    -Justin<br>
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        Thanks,<br>
        Best,<br>
        Moeed<br>
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        step 164300, remaining runtime:   241 s          step 164400,<br>
        remaining runtime:   240 s          step 164500, remaining<br>
        runtime:   240 s          step 164600, remaining runtime:   239<br>
        s          Warning: 1-4 interaction between 260 and 267 at<br>
        distance 73679654.990 which is larger than the 1-4 table size<br>
        2.250 nm<br>
        These are ignored for the rest of the simulation<br>
        This usually means your system is exploding,<br>
        if not, you should increase table-extension in your mdp file<br>
        or with user tables increase the table size<br>
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        results till t=320 ps (before first run crash)<br>
        fourierspacing      =  0.12<br>
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        LJ-14                       757.246    26.6239    26.5661<br>
        -0.0189929   -6.07777<br>
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        Coulomb-14                 -186.509    15.9866    15.9529<br>
        -0.0112174    -3.5896<br>
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        LJ (SR)                    -2691.84    117.026    107.231<br>
         -0.507373   -162.361<br>
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        Coulomb (SR)                725.662    17.6483    17.5876<br>
         0.0158275    5.06483<br>
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                 fourierspacing      =  0.3<br>
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        LJ-14                       757.129    26.4936    26.4578<br>
        -0.0149128   -4.77214<br>
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        Coulomb-14                 -199.523     14.949     14.158<br>
        -0.0519427   -16.6218<br>
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        LJ (SR)                     -2670.5    111.201    109.688           0.19784    63.3092<br>
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        Coulomb (SR)                739.794    16.1807    15.4473<br>
         0.0521352    16.6834<br>
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        pbc              =  xyz                                ;        Run control                   integrator                 =  md                   dt                  =  0.002                      nsteps              =  1000000 ;5000         nstcomm                    =  100                      ;        Output control<br>


        nstenergy           =  100                  nstxout                    =  100                 nstvout             =  0<br>
        nstfout             =  0<br>
        nstlog              =  1000                 nstxtcout          =<br>
         1000                        ;        Neighbor searching<br>
        nstlist             =  10               ns_type             =<br>
         grid                      ;        Electrostatics/VdW<br>
        coulombtype         =  PME                    vdw-type                   =  Shift             rcoulomb-switch     =  0                         rvdw-switch         =  0.9 ;0                      ;        Cut-offs<br>


        rlist               =  1.25                 rcoulomb                   =  1.25 ;1.1             rvdw                =  1.0                               ;        PME parameters<br>
        fourierspacing      =  0.3                 fourier_nx          =  0<br>
        fourier_ny          =  0<br>
        fourier_nz          =  0<br>
        pme_order          =  4                ewald_rtol         =  1e-5<br>
        optimize_fft      =  yes<br>
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        ;        Temperature coupling   Tcoupl              =  v-rescale<br>
                        tc-grps             =  System  ;HEX                     tau_t               =  0.1     ;0.1                  ref_t                      =  400     ;300                    ;        Pressure coupling<br>


        Pcoupl              =  Parrinello-Rahman            Pcoupltype                 =  isotropic                 tau_p               =  1             1           ;0.5         compressibility     =  4.5e-5 4.5e-5                 ref_p               =  70    70                          ;        Velocity generation               gen_vel             =<br>


         yes               gen_temp            =  300.0                      gen_seed            =  173529                      ;        Bonds<br>
        constraints             = all-bonds                    constraint-algorithm = lincs<br>
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    ICTAS Doctoral Scholar<br>
    MILES-IGERT Trainee<br>
    Department of Biochemistry<br>
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McGill University- Department of Chemical Engineering<br>
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ICTAS Doctoral Scholar<br>
MILES-IGERT Trainee<br>
Department of Biochemistry<br>
Virginia Tech<br>
Blacksburg, VA<br>
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