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On 15/04/2011 5:55 AM, Moeed wrote:
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<div class="im"> On 14/04/2011 3:40 PM, Moeed wrote:
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<div> On 14/04/2011 10:22 AM, Moeed wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Hello,<br>
<br>
I have run 2 ns simulations on a hydrocarbon
system (initial density of ~ 2 SI and box size
is 15 nm), one with version 4.0.7 and the
other trial using 4.5.3. Both runs are almost
equilibrated to 70 bar pressure but one is
giving density of above 600SI (4.0.7) and the
other density of around 15 SI (4.5.3). With
4.5.3 applying 100 bar pressure does not
comrades the system either to the desired
density. I need to study the system at
different pressures from 1 to 70 bar, and I am
wondering if the system can not be compressed
with these ref_p values how can I keep the
pressure fixed at P < 70 bar!? <br>
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Please help if you have any idea on why these
two versions are giving inconsistent results
and which one is reliable. <br>
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Why are your potential energies positive? What
does the final configuration look like? Why aren't
you doing a "simulated annealing" style of
compression with small increments of delta-P?
(These, coincidentally are even good data for your
study...) Massive leaps in ensemble conditions are
often poorly-conditioned for numerical
integration. You're generating velocities that are
only approximately correct, not giving them any
chance to equilibrate, and then smashing the
system with massive over-pressure. Small wonder it
might sometimes break...<br>
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Hi Mark,<br>
<br>
You mean I should get negative potential? I am sure
topology is generated properly. can you explain why
this is concerning?<br>
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What does a set of charges with positive potential energy
want to do?
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<div> Can you please elaborate on compressing using
simulated annealing? How can I do this?<br>
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That's not what I said - I used quotation marks and the word
"style" for a reason. I told you not to do massive changes
of conditions, and to use small increments of delta-P.
Equilibrate at one P, change it a bit. Repeat. This is like
simulated annealing, but with P instead of T.<br>
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Dear Mark,<br>
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I see now what you mean. But actually my problem is not
equilibrating..</div>
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Your problem *is* equilibrating. Clearly 4.5.3 is not doing it.<br>
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<div>I can follow your advise and equilibrate the system but as
I said starting from the same structure and settings, both
runs one with 4.0.7 and the other 4.5.3, show that system is
pretty close to ref_p = 70 but densities are terrible
different. </div>
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Sure, so something got broken in at least one of these. I think
you're being too rough.<br>
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<div>What I dont realize is that how to judge which version is
giving correct density. and also version 4.5.3 does not
compress with any pressure below 100 bar. So even when I
compress using 4.0.7, and try to use output structure from
4.0.7 as input for 4.5.3 to apply say ref_p of 70, my box
expands again.<br>
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You're trying to draw deductions based on the doubtful premise that
you can just apply a massive overpressure and the numerical
integration will cope. Think about it - massive external pressure
means lots of collisions and large velocities which mean large
atomic motions over finite time steps. You've just left the
integration step the same size, so I'm actually a bit surprised
4.0.7 appears to have coped. A gentler progressive compression will
leave the system close to equilibrium throughout, and is much more
likely to achieve a sensible result.<br>
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<div>I am stuck on this and it seems the only option is to just
stick to version 4.0.7! <br>
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I'm going to stop repeating myself soon :-) I think you're being too
rough, and that 4.5.3 is getting unlucky and breaking and that 4.0.7
might be getting lucky.<br>
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Mark<br>
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<div>:) <br>
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Mark</font>
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<div>Thanks, :)<br>
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When reporting output from .log file and
g_energy, please either use plain text email, or
switch to a non-proportional font like Courier.
Those tables make it harder for people to help
you than you want it to be.<br>
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Mark</font>
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4.0.7 <br>
<br>
Statistics over 250001 steps [<b>
1500.0001 thru 2000.0001 ps ],</b> 14
data sets<br>
The term 'Cons. rmsd ()' is averaged over
2501 frames<br>
All other averages are exact over 250001
steps<br>
<br>
Energy Average
RMSD Fluct. Drift Tot-Drift<br>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
Angle 36.9945
0.806738 0.804483 0.0521993 0.208798<br>
Ryckaert-Bell. 9.04227
0.376253 0.371412 0.0521057 0.208424<br>
LJ-14 5.23048
0.119612 0.119611 0.00033983 0.00135933<br>
Coulomb-14 -1.66329
0.104171 0.102175 0.0175753 0.0703015<br>
LJ (SR)
-27.3967 0 0
0.0421934 0.168774<br>
Coulomb (SR) 8.98711
0.163579 0.16062 -0.0268199 -0.10728<br>
Potential
31.1944 0 0 0.137594
0.550377<br>
Kinetic En. 51.1009
0.987759 0.987724 0.00725949 0.0290381<br>
Total Energy
82.2953 0 0 0.144851
0.579408<br>
Temperature 299.98
5.79849 5.79828 0.000340897 0.170449<br>
<b>Pressure (bar) 69.3587
414.279 414.256 0.0298385 14.9193</b><br>
Cons. rmsd () 4.01744e-06
1.41883e-07 1.41883e-07
0 0<br>
<b>Box-X
3.04882 0 0
3.57512e-06 0.00178757<br>
Box-Y
3.04882 0 0 3.57512e-</b><br>
<br>
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-----------------------------<br>
4.5.3. <br>
<br>
[<b> 1500.0001 thru 2000.0001 ps ],</b><br>
<br>
Energy Average
Err.Est. RMSD Tot-Drift<br>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
Angle 37.1357
0.071 0.812307 -0.099711 (kJ/mol)<br>
Ryckaert-Bell. 9.17677
0.14 0.445934 -0.529281 (kJ/mol)<br>
LJ-14 5.18878
0.0087 0.137673 -0.03119 (kJ/mol)<br>
Coulomb-14 -1.60372
0.051 0.126405 -0.144403 (kJ/mol)<br>
LJ (SR) -4.24478
0.29 0.742141 0.697187 (kJ/mol)<br>
Coulomb (SR) 8.97451
0.082 0.198278 0.232025 (kJ/mol)<br>
Potential 54.6272
0.31 1.20733 0.124627 (kJ/mol)<br>
Kinetic En. 51.1047
0.021 0.9945 -0.066306 (kJ/mol)<br>
Total Energy 105.732
0.31 1.58869 0.058321 (kJ/mol)<br>
Temperature 300.002
0.12 5.83806 -0.389239 (K)<br>
<b>Pressure
66.734 5.3 91.83 11.5294
(bar)</b><br>
Constr. rmsd 2.2661e-10
2.3e-10 3.58302e-08 -1.3595e-09 ()<br>
<b>Box-X
11.0055 0.082 0.175309
-0.496198 (nm)<br>
Box-Y 11.0055
0.082 0.175309 -0.496198 (nm)</b><br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
pbc = xyz<br>
<br>
integrator = md
<br>
dt = 0.002
<br>
nsteps = 1000000 <br>
nstcomm = 100
<br>
nstenergy = 100
<br>
nstxout = 100
<br>
<br>
nstlist = 10 <br>
ns_type = grid
<br>
<br>
coulombtype = Shift<br>
vdw-type = Shift
<br>
rcoulomb-switch = 0
<br>
rvdw-switch = 0.9 <br>
rlist = 1.2
<br>
rcoulomb = 1.2 <br>
rvdw = 1.0
<br>
<br>
Tcoupl = v-rescale
<br>
tc-grps = System <br>
tau_t = 0.1 <br>
ref_t = 300
<br>
<br>
<br>
Pcoupl = berendsen<br>
Pcoupltype =
isotropic <br>
tau_p = 1
<br>
compressibility = 4.5e-5 4.5e-5
<br>
ref_p = 70 <br>
<br>
<br>
gen_vel = yes
<br>
gen_temp = 300.0
<br>
gen_seed = 173529 <br>
<br>
<br>
constraints = all-bonds
<br>
constraint-algorithm = lincs <br>
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