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    On 4/08/2011 1:51 AM, Sanku M wrote:
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        <div>Hi Mark and Justin,</div>
        <div>&nbsp; I did investigate on the rvdw=rlist issue. But, I found
          even if I make rvdw &lt; rlist and still keep time step 0.002,
          the average temperature goes to 303 K.</div>
        <div>Only reducing the time step does help ( even if rvdw=rlist)
          to get average temperature to 300K.</div>
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    ... and the tau_t issue I mentioned?<br>
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    Mark<br>
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        <div>Sanku</div>
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              <hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
              Mark Abraham <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Mark.Abraham@anu.edu.au">&lt;Mark.Abraham@anu.edu.au&gt;</a><br>
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              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue,
              August 2, 2011 11:46:21 PM<br>
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            On 3/08/2011 2:23 PM, Sanku M wrote:
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                  times, serif;font-size:12pt;">&nbsp; &nbsp; Finally, I achieved
                  the desired 300K average temperature using sd
                  integrator . I had to reduce the time step from 0.002
                  ps to 0.001 ps and then running the NVT could produce
                  300K as average temperature.</div>
                <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york,
                  times, serif;font-size:12pt;">Still Not sure why md
                  integrator still could 300K average temperature using
                  0.002 ps as time-step.</div>
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            So your integration step was too large to conserve energy.
            There have been two suggestions made about why that might be
            true. Have you investigated them?<br>
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            Mark<br>
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                      Tue, August 2, 2011 10:16:17 PM<br>
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                    Sanku M wrote:<br>
                    &gt; Hi Justin,<br>
                    &gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; I did calculate the average temperature
                    using last 2 ns of the 8ns data. It is still same
                    303K. <br>
                    &gt; <br>
                    <br>
                    Going back to the original .mdp file, I can see that
                    you're using some incorrect settings.&nbsp; You've set
                    rlist=rvdw even though you're using a shifted
                    potential for van der Waals interactions.&nbsp; Surely
                    grompp should have warned you that this would lead
                    to poor energy conservation.&nbsp; Your solvent is
                    probably heating up as a result and leading to the
                    incorrect temperature.<br>
                    <br>
                    -Justin<br>
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                    &gt; <br>
                    &gt; Sanku M wrote:<br>
                    &gt;&nbsp; &gt; OKK, But, before, I have tried using md
                    as integrator where I start the initial velocity as
                    280K ( which makes sense as the minimized
                    configuration is essentially at low temperature) and
                    have used Nose-hoover at 300K and I never had
                    problem in getting the desired 300K after running a
                    short NVT simulation as equilabration.<br>
                    &gt;&nbsp; &gt; The problem arises when sd integrator is
                    used.<br>
                    &gt;&nbsp; &gt; In fact, I&nbsp; just tried to generate the
                    initial velocity at 300K along with sd integrator. I
                    got the 303 K as average temperature again. The same
                    simulation using md integrator always gives rise to
                    300K as average temperature( when used in
                    conjunction with Nose-Hoover ) , even if I generate
                    velocity at 280 K or 300K .<br>
                    &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
                    &gt;&nbsp; &gt; I guess that the initial
                    velocity-generation temperature should not be an
                    issue here. The sd integrator in contrast to md
                    integrator may be the problem.<br>
                    &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
                    &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
                    &gt; <br>
                    &gt; I have never had such a problem when using sd.&nbsp;
                    I can always achieve the target temperature within
                    0.5 K, if not exactly, so I do not believe there is
                    an inherent problem with sd.&nbsp; Your first post
                    indicated that your statistics were collected over
                    the entire timeframe, which will not be correct for
                    reasons I have already described.&nbsp; The initial
                    frames will represent unequilibrated data that may
                    skew the averages.&nbsp; What if you analyze only the
                    last half of the time?&nbsp; The last 1 ns?<br>
                    &gt; <br>
                    &gt; -Justin<br>
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