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    On 26/09/2011 10:54 PM, Ricardo Cuya Guizado wrote:
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        Thanks&nbsp;Tsjerk
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        <div>About my question...</div>
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          <div>&gt;&gt; PCA depend of the number of frames?</div>
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          <div>and your answer:</div>
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          <div>&gt;Yes, it does. This has, in fact, been pointed out in
            the early papers</div>
          <div>on PCA in MD</div>
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        <div>Please, Would you give me some references,</div>
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    See manual section 8.10 and references, or the references in the
    literature of work similar to that which you intend to do...<br>
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    Mark<br>
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        <div>Ricardo</div>
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            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">Hi
                  Ricardo</span></font></div>
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            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">&gt;
                  For the case (1) and (2) the most representative
                  structure was used in the</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">&gt;
                  option -s ( One that has the lowest rmsd with respect
                  to the average of each</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">&gt;
                  cluster).</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">&gt;
                  In case (3) the initial structure of the MD was used
                  in the option -s.</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
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            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">If
                  all belong to the same system, it is better to use one
                  reference</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">structure,
                  to define the conformational space in the same way,</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">allowing
                  direct comparison.</span></font></div>
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            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">&gt;
                  When I look the eigenvalues for the case (1) and (2),
                  I found that the</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">&gt;
                  eigenvalue is zero only after index="number of frames"
                  (see below)</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">&gt;
                  In the case (3) the distribution is smooth</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">&gt;
                  I could expect a similar distribution for the case (1)
                  and (2), because the</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">&gt;
                  frames are representative of the dymanics of the
                  protein.</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">&gt;
                  Why this difference?</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">&gt;
                  PCA depend of the number of frames?</span></font></div>
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                </span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Yes,
                  it does. This has, in fact, been pointed out in the
                  early papers</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">on
                  PCA in MD. I think it's best to read up more about
                  PCA, including</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">some
                  introductory material from statistics. One thing I'll
                  give away</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">though...
                  ;) Consider the motion of a particle in three
                  dimensions. If</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">you
                  have two frames, you can say something about motion
                  along a line.</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">You
                  need two frames to say something about motion in a
                  plane, and you</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">need
                  at least three points to say something about motion in
                  all three</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">dimensions.
                  Now in your case, each conformation is one point and
                  the</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">conformational
                  space in which the point moves has 3N dimensions. If</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">you
                  have two points, you can only say something about
                  motion along a</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">line,
                  i.e., you have one component with nonzero eigenvector.
                  With</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">three
                  points (conformations), you can obtain two
                  eigenvectors, which</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">span
                  a plane, etc.</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
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                </span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Hope
                  it helps,</span></font></div>
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            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Tsjerk</span></font></div>
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            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">--&nbsp;</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Tsjerk
                  A. Wassenaar, Ph.D.</span></font></div>
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            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">post-doctoral
                  researcher</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Molecular
                  Dynamics Group</span></font></div>
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                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">*
                  Groningen Institute for Biomolecular Research and
                  Biotechnology</span></font></div>
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                  Zernike Institute for Advanced Materials</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">University
                  of Groningen</span></font></div>
            <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">The
                  Netherlands</span></font></div>
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