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    On 10/11/2011 7:36 PM, James Starlight wrote:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAALQopxJrYcG=eu6AAPGFYeTTeU-tsSQWkqQVxypVRSWtwybPg@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Thanks Mark,<br>
      <br>
      1) By the way do you know any database where I could obtain
      information about function of the specific CAP groups ?<br>
      E.g as I know the most spread CAP on N is ACE group but in my case
      there is For ( simple COH group) instead of ACE. <br>
      <br>
      I think that parametrisation of such simple groups should not be
      very complicate but it's strange that I've not found already built
      topology for them.<br>
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    <br>
    People use acetyl rather than formyl cap either because that's what
    was used in the experimental system, or because they are simulating
    a fragment from a larger peptide and acetyl makes for a better model
    of a peptide bond than formyl for only a small extra cost. I don't
    even know that any force fields have parameters for H-C(O)-N(H)-R. I
    suggest you use acetyl.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAALQopxJrYcG=eu6AAPGFYeTTeU-tsSQWkqQVxypVRSWtwybPg@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite"><br>
      <br>
      2) Also I've tried to made topology for D amoniacids. I've started
      with the topology of L analogs e.g for D-val I've created enty
      based on the Val in .rtp and .hdb files. Not I think I should to
      invert impropers for the Calpha atoms that new topology represent
      to true D-isomer :) But I'm not sure about how to make it
      correctly :)<br>
      <br>
      In .itp I've found for new DVA residue<br>
      <br>
      &nbsp;[ impropers ]<br>
      ;&nbsp; ai&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; aj&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ak&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; al&nbsp;&nbsp; gromos type<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; N&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; CA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; H&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; gi_1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; CA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; N&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; CB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; gi_2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; CA&nbsp;&nbsp; CG1&nbsp;&nbsp; CG2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; CB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; gi_2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; CA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +N&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; gi_1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
      <br>
      here there are 2 enties for the Ca atoms. What should I do with it
      for invertion?<br>
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    First, identify that there's anything to invert. Look at the #define
    lines for gi_1 and gi_2 and the manual sections for impropers.
    There's nothing associated with any handedness. The impropers for
    chirality prevent inversion, rather than enforcing a particular
    chirality. You can test this yourself. Make a .tpr of an L-amino
    acid and .gro files of each chirality, and then use mdrun -rerun
    Lconfiguration.gro -s Lconfiguration and compare with mdrun -rerun
    Rconfiguration.gro -s Lconfiguration.<br>
    <br>
    Mark<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAALQopxJrYcG=eu6AAPGFYeTTeU-tsSQWkqQVxypVRSWtwybPg@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite"><br>
      James<br>
      &nbsp;<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/10 Mark Abraham <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Mark.Abraham@anu.edu.au">Mark.Abraham@anu.edu.au</a>&gt;</span><br>
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            <div class="im"> On 10/11/2011 7:05 PM, James Starlight
              wrote:
              <blockquote type="cite">Justin,<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                I've also look for the cap editing in the pymol but it
                seems that that function lacks in that program<br>
                <br>
                By the way, what are specificity of such Cap groups ? Do
                they are only sheld charges on the termi or have
                something addition function?<br>
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            They can. The purpose of a simulation is to provide a model
            of reality. How one would wish to cap a peptide depends what
            is being modelled under what conditions with what objectives
            in mind.
            <div class="im"><br>
              <br>
              <blockquote type="cite"> <br>
                What difference beetwen different caps I cant understand
                why in my structure there are so non-standart groups.<br>
              </blockquote>
              <br>
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            Shrug. We don't even know what they are... Wherever you
            sourced your starting structure should discuss how and why
            the termini have such caps.<br>
            <font color="#888888"> <br>
              Mark</font>
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                  <br>
                  James<br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/9 Justin A. Lemkul <span
                      dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:jalemkul@vt.edu" target="_blank">jalemkul@vt.edu</a>&gt;</span><br>
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                        <br>
                        James Starlight wrote:<br>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                          style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204,
                          204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left:
                          1ex;"> Justin,<br>
                          <br>
                          Could you tell me another alternative ways to
                          replace existing cap groups in my pdb besides
                          xleap ? ( I've had &nbsp;many problems with the
                          pdb's processed by this soft). Also I've tried
                          to make topology for the non-standart caps by
                          PRODRG but I also have some problems with such
                          parametrisation.<br>
                          <br>
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                      Unless you describe your problems, there's very
                      little anyone can or will try to do to help you.
                      &nbsp;I've never had a problem with an xleap coordinate
                      file, so I can't offer you any additional guidance
                      with that. &nbsp;Otherwise, there are dozens of
                      programs that are capable of drawing molecules or
                      editing files. &nbsp;See, for instance:<br>
                      <br>
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/File_Formats/Coordinate_File#Sources"
                        target="_blank">http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/File_Formats/Coordinate_File#Sources</a><br>
                      <br>
                      -Justin<br>
                      <br>
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                        204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left:
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                        <div> <br>
                          Also I've not found suitable topology for some
                          D-isomers ( it's strange that parametriation
                          for such typical non-standart residues is
                          absent in all force fields ). As I understood
                          I cant use topology of L-analogs for the
                          parametrisation of such D-forms because I dont
                          know suitable parameters for dihedrals for
                          instance.<br>
                          Have someone pre-built parameters for the D-aa
                          for Gromos or Charmm force field?<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          Thanks,<br>
                          <br>
                          James<br>
                          <br>
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                        2011/10/29 Justin A. Lemkul &lt;<a
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                          <br>
                          &nbsp; &nbsp;James Starlight wrote:<br>
                          <br>
                          &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Justin, hello!<br>
                          <br>
                          &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Could you tell me what exactly program
                          from the Amber tools<br>
                          &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;package you've used for the KALP
                          peptide preparation e.g for<br>
                          &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;capping ?<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          &nbsp; &nbsp;xleap<br>
                          <br>
                          &nbsp; &nbsp;At this point, please start a new thread
                          for your questions, as<br>
                          &nbsp; &nbsp;these topics are completely unrelated to
                          where you started.<br>
                          <br>
                          &nbsp; &nbsp;-Justin<br>
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