Mark, <br><br>I&#39;ve made changes in the input mdp file<br><br>integrator     = md<br>energygrps      = Protein_ADN<br>freezegrps     = Protein_ADN<br>freezedim      = Y Y Y<br>energygrp_table<br>energygrp_excl = Protein_ADN Protein_ADN<br>
<br>here  Protein_ADN is the protein_ligand defined in the index.mdp<br><br>than I&#39;ve processed by grompp without problems<br><br>but during insertion step by follow command<br>g_membed -f input.tpr -p topol.top -n index.ndx -xyinit 0.1 -xyend 1.0 -nxy 1000<br>
<br>here I choose Protein_ADN as the group to be inserted and POP as the group wich are membrane. Eventually I&#39;ve obtained another strange error<br><br>Moleculetype POP is found both in the group to insert and the rest of the system.<br>
Because we need to exclude all interactions between the atoms in the group to<br>insert, the same moleculetype can not be used in both groups. Change the<br>moleculetype of the molecules POP in the inserted group.<br><br>
I&#39;ve checked my index.ndx and didt not find POP group in my first Protein_ADN group. Why this error should be ?<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/20 Mark Abraham <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Mark.Abraham@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">Mark.Abraham@anu.edu.au</a>&gt;</span><br>
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    <div>On 20/06/2012 4:39 PM, James Starlight
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">by the way I&#39;ve forced with problems during insertion
      of the complex protein_ligand into membrane by means of g_membed<br>
      <br>
      firstly I&#39;ve created index.ndx file with the merged protein_ligand
      group. Than I&#39;ve used next mdp for my g_membed input<br>
      <br>
      integrator     = md<br>
      energygrps      = Protein ADN<br>
      freezegrps     = Protein ADN<br>
      freezedim      = Y Y Y<br>
      energygrp_table<br>
      energygrp_excl = Protein Protein<br>
      <br>
      here ADN is the ligand<br>
      <br>
      than I&#39;ve tried to generate input file for g_membed where I&#39;ve
      selected my protein_ligand group to be inserted into membrane but
      I&#39;ve obtained this eror althought protein_ligand group were
      presented in the list of aviable groups for insertion<br>
      <br>
      Fatal error:<br>
      Group Protein_ADN not found in indexfile.<br>
      Maybe you have non-default groups in your mdp file, while not
      using the &#39;-n&#39; option of grompp.<br>
      In that case use the &#39;-n&#39; option.<br>
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    So clearly you haven&#39;t given grompp an index file with the merged
    protein-and-ligand group that matches the .mdp file usage. Since
    you&#39;re changing nomenclature at least once in the course of this
    email, that&#39;s not surprising. You may not have the patience to check
    your spelling in email, but grompp will insist on everything to its
    satisfaction...<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
    <br>
    Mark</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
      Finally If I&#39;ve tried to insert kust protein intoi membrane than
      G_membed delete my ligand during insertion<br>
      <br>
      Will remove 0 Protein molecules<br>
      Will remove 1 ADN molecules<br>
      Will remove 10 POP molecules<br>
      Will remove 41 SOL molecules<br>
      <br>
      How I could fix this problem and obtain whole protein_ligand
      system inserted in the membrane ?<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      James<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/15 James Starlight <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jmsstarlight@gmail.com" target="_blank">jmsstarlight@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
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          I&#39;ve found main reason of such crushes. It was due to the
          individual internal waters wich I&#39;ve included to my model as
          the buried to the protein interiour ( the coordinates were
          copppied form X-ray structure of the same protein). <br>
          <br>
          By the way I have already performed  the same simulation with
          the inclussion of the same X-ray waters but in different
          system with membrane-mimicking env. consisted of Ccl4 in
          water. As the result there have not been any problems with
          that system.<br>
          <br>
          Finally I have some question about G_membed acceleration. 
          I&#39;ve noticed that the process of insertion of the protein in
          the membrane is very long (actually it&#39;s only 50ps
          simulation).<br>
          <br>
          During procesing of my system I&#39;ve obtained notes like<br>
          <br>
          NOTE 4 [file topol.top, line 19511]:<br>
            For energy conservation with LINCS, lincs_iter should be 2
          or larger.<br>
          <br>
          NOTE 1 [file gmembed.mdp]:<br>
            You are using a cut-off for VdW interactions with NVE, for
          good energy<br>
            conservation use vdwtype = Shift (possibly with DispCorr)<br>
          <br>
          NOTE 2 [file gmembed.mdp]:<br>
            You are using a cut-off for electrostatics with NVE, for
          good energy<br>
            conservation use coulombtype = PME-Switch or
          Reaction-Field-zero<br>
          <br>
          The parameters for long-range and short-range interactions
          I&#39;ve used from my typical simulation on the lipid Gromos56-ff
          ( presented in the Justin&#39;s tutorial).<br>
          <br>
          Is there any other  parameters for that object wich are most
          suitable for G_membed ?<span><font color="#888888"><br>
              <br>
              James</font></span>
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            <div><br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/14 James Starlight <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jmsstarlight@gmail.com" target="_blank">jmsstarlight@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                  Mark,<br>
                  <br>
                  I&#39;ve used commands provided in the G_membed manual<br>
                  <br>
                     g membed -f input.tpr -p merged.top -xyinit 0.1
                  -xyend 1.0 -nxy 1000 <br>
                  <br>
                  or<br>
                  <br>
                     g membed -f input.tpr -p merged.top -xyinit 0.1
                  -xyend 1.0 -nxy 1000 -zinit 1.1 -zend 1.0 -nz 100<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  In both cases I&#39;ve obtained the same message<br>
                  <br>
                  There are 122 lipids in the membrane part that
                  overlaps the protein.<br>
                  The area per lipid is 0.5002 nm^2.<br>
                  Maximum number of lipids that will be removed is 45.<br>
                  <br>
                  and eventually only 10 lipids were removed. Also I&#39;ve
                  tried to do this on another pope bilayer (consisted of
                  bigger lipids with properly equilirated ) but I&#39;ve
                  obtained exactly the same results.<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  James<br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/14 Mark Abraham <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Mark.Abraham@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">Mark.Abraham@anu.edu.au</a>&gt;</span><br>
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                            <div> On 14/06/2012 4:39 PM, James Starlight
                              wrote:
                              <blockquote type="cite">Dear Gromacs
                                Users!<br>
                                <br>
                                I&#39;ve forced with the problem durin
                                insertion of my protein into
                                pre-equilibrated bilayer via G_Membed. <br>
                                <br>
                                I&#39;ve done all steps in accordance to the
                                KALP tutorial ( I&#39;ve oriented both
                                membrane as well as the protein in the
                                same dimensions merged both topologies
                                and gro files in the merged.gro file )
                                but after processed via grompp I&#39;ve
                                recieved warning<br>
                                <br>
                                WARNING 1 [file gmembed.mdp]:<br>
                                  Can not exclude the lattice Coulomb
                                energy between energy groups<br>
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                            You&#39;ve asked about this before... <a href="http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2011-November/066002.html" target="_blank">http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2011-November/066002.html</a>
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                              <br>
                              <br>
                              <blockquote type="cite">if I scip this
                                message by maxwarn oprtins, g_membed
                                remove only 10 lipids ( while &gt; 40
                                are overlapped with the protein ) and
                                during further g_membed&#39;s md_run I&#39;ve
                                obtained lincs warning and my system is
                                crushed .<br>
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                            Have you followed g_membed -h and their
                            published method? You&#39;ve not shown your
                            command lines, so it&#39;s impossible for anyone
                            to know what you&#39;re doing.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                <br>
                                Mark</font></span>
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                              <div><br>
                                <br>
                                <blockquote type="cite"> <br>
                                  <br>
                                  I&#39;m using berger lipids and that mdp
                                  file for the G_membed<br>
                                  <br>
                                  integrator     = md<br>
                                  energygrps      = Protein<br>
                                  freezegrps     = Protein<br>
                                  freezedim      = Y Y Y<br>
                                  energygrp_table<br>
                                  energygrp_excl = Protein Protein<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  emtol        = 1000.0      ; Stop
                                  minimization when the maximum force
                                  &lt; 1000.0 kJ/mol/nm<br>
                                  emstep      = 0.01      ; Energy step
                                  size<br>
                                  nsteps        = 50000          ;
                                  Maximum number of (minimization) steps
                                  to perform<br>
                                  <br>
                                  ; Bond parameters<br>
                                  constraint_algorithm = lincs    ;
                                  holonomic constraints <br>
                                  constraints    = all-bonds           
                                  ; all bonds (even heavy atom-H bonds)
                                  constrained<br>
                                  lincs_iter    = 1                    ;
                                  accuracy of LINCS<br>
                                  lincs_order    = 4                   
                                  ; also related to accuracy<br>
                                  ; Neighborsearching<br>
                                  ns_type        = grid        ; search
                                  neighboring grid cels<br>
                                  nstlist        = 5            ; 10 fs<br>
                                  rlist        = 1.2        ;
                                  short-range neighborlist cutoff (in
                                  nm)<br>
                                  rcoulomb    = 1.2        ; short-range
                                  electrostatic cutoff (in nm)<br>
                                  rvdw        = 1.2        ; short-range
                                  van der Waals cutoff (in nm)<br>
                                  ; Electrostatics<br>
                                  coulombtype    = PME        ; Particle
                                  Mesh Ewald for long-range
                                  electrostatics<br>
                                  pme_order    = 4            ; cubic
                                  interpolation<br>
                                  fourierspacing    = 0.16        ; grid
                                  spacing for FFT<br>
                                  pbc            = xyz        ; 3-D PBC<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  Could you tell me where is the problem
                                  in my case might be?<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  James<br>
                                  <br>
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                                  <br>
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